Anonymous said: Not being rude or anything, but It was Karen's idea to wear skirts. She wanted to wear skirts. Moffat didn't have any input. It's not right to slut-shame her or put her down for wanting to wear a skirt. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just trying to state the facts. I am a feminist but I see no problem in a girl wearing a skirt if she wants to. She likes her legs, there's nothing wrong with that. linnealurks: yoshee007: linnealurks: I assume you’re talking about this post? If you read my tags on the post I linked to in that post, about “Amy’s little jump”, you’d realize that I know it was Karen’s idea to wear mini-skirts.  Not being rude or anything, but I have to laugh when you say “Moffat didn’t have any input.” Of course he had input. He’s the ultimate deciding vote in anything that happens on the show (unless perhaps someone above him at the BBC has an objection). His input was that he went along with Karen’s idea instead of vetoing it. Moffat himself says that Karen’s appearance was a major reason for hiring her. Her acting skills would not have been enough if she had actually been, as he first thought, “wee and dumpy”.  And in dialog and camera angles, he calls repeated attention to Amy’s legs and body, and faults her for distracting Rory instead of faulting Rory being distracted. I’m pretty sure Karen knows which side her bread is buttered on, and that she gets rewarded for catering to the male gaze.  More power to her for using that to her own advantage. But as we see with “Amy’s little jump”, sometimes Amy Pond the character can’t be fully part of the action because of her costume. It’s not slut-shaming to point out that women are judged for their appearance far more than men are, and that women are expected to wear things that are uncomfortable and limit their freedom of movement in order to be attractive, while men are not. This just in: Moffat is sexist for supporting a woman’s choices for her own costume. Seems he just can’t win. And about the tags on the “Amy’s little jump” post, you put:  don’t start telling me that miniskirts were karen gillan’s idea, it’s still our patriarchal culture which thinks that, hobbled women are sexy women So yeah, you might know it was Karen’s idea, but you’re still dismissing that fact and blaming her choice on the patriarchy, rather than it being something she wanted and was comfortable with. Also on the topic of that post, about how the outfit limits her movement and everything - please remember the actual context of the episode. Amy was dressed like that as she had the outfit on hand when the Doctor broke into her house - it was a kissogram outfit, not meant for running or jumping. She wasn’t prepared for the end of the world or having to run about, and as such her outfits throughout the rest of the series, when you know, she’s actually prepared, limit her movement much less, and she does very much end up being “fully part of the action”. Funny that. And Moffat’s role as showrunner and scriptwriter does not include directing, and therefore he would’ve had nothing to do with the camera angles. It’s kind of a nuanced thing, trying to analyze women’s clothing from a feminist point of view. On the one hand, a woman has the right to wear whatever she wants. On the other hand, no one makes that choice in a vacuum. Our culture has certain expectations about women’s appearances, and any choice a woman makes has certain costs and certain benefits. Women are judged by their appearance in a way that men are not, and the clothing that is considered attractive on women is often impractical, uncomfortable, and restricts mobility. If I lament that fact, I am not shaming a particular woman or claiming that she doesn’t make her own choices. She chooses, but patriarchal society provides the frame in which the choice is made. That said, I don’t think it’s clear at all that Karen actually was the one with the deciding vote about Amy’s clothing.  I doubt that Moffat supports her right, in the abstract, to make her own choices about her costume. The preference she expressed fit with his agenda, so he went along with it.  And yes, I maintain that his agenda is sexist. (If she had expressed a desire to wear baggy sweatpants, or a prairie dress, I don’t imagine he would have supported her choices.) Moffat was also the one who made the choice that Amy would work as a kiss-o-gram, an occupation that most definitely sexualizes her and prioritizes her appearance. It’s one of those choices Moffat didn’t have to make, but he made it, because he likes getting cheap laughs out of sexual stereotypes. Her profession requires her to be sexy, and being sexy involves wearing clothes that she can’t run in. The fact that she wears somewhat more functional clothes in later episodes doesn’t change this point. And about the camera angles: people defending Moffat love to deny that he has any influence on what happens on his own show. It’s like they think that once he hires someone, he never talks to them again. Trust me, these people have meetings before they shoot, where they explicitly discuss what kind of mood they want to create and how to approach each scene. And if they don’t happen to discuss a particular aspect of the show,  the people who work under him will try to suss out what he likes and to do things that they think will please him. Even if he’s not the one who does that particular job, his fingerprints are bound to be on it. tl,dr: Women’s choices about their appearance are made within the framework of a sexist society. Moffat is ultimately responsible for what’s on the show, even if he doesn’t do every last little task himself.

Anonymous said: Not being rude or anything, but It was Karen's idea to wear skirts. She wanted to wear skirts. Moffat didn't have any input. It's not right to slut-shame her or put her down for wanting to wear a skirt. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just trying to state the facts. I am a feminist but I see no problem in a girl wearing a skirt if she wants to. She likes her legs, there's nothing wrong with that.

linnealurks:

yoshee007:

linnealurks:

I assume you’re talking about this post? If you read my tags on the post I linked to in that post, about “Amy’s little jump”, you’d realize that I know it was Karen’s idea to wear mini-skirts.

 Not being rude or anything, but I have to laugh when you say “Moffat didn’t have any input.” Of course he had input. He’s the ultimate deciding vote in anything that happens on the show (unless perhaps someone above him at the BBC has an objection). His input was that he went along with Karen’s idea instead of vetoing it.

Moffat himself says that Karen’s appearance was a major reason for hiring her. Her acting skills would not have been enough if she had actually been, as he first thought, “wee and dumpy”.  And in dialog and camera angles, he calls repeated attention to Amy’s legs and body, and faults her for distracting Rory instead of faulting Rory being distracted.

I’m pretty sure Karen knows which side her bread is buttered on, and that she gets rewarded for catering to the male gaze.  More power to her for using that to her own advantage. But as we see with “Amy’s little jump”, sometimes Amy Pond the character can’t be fully part of the action because of her costume.

It’s not slut-shaming to point out that women are judged for their appearance far more than men are, and that women are expected to wear things that are uncomfortable and limit their freedom of movement in order to be attractive, while men are not.

This just in: Moffat is sexist for supporting a woman’s choices for her own costume. Seems he just can’t win.

And about the tags on the “Amy’s little jump” post, you put:  don’t start telling me that miniskirts were karen gillan’s ideait’s still our patriarchal culture which thinks thathobbled women are sexy women

So yeah, you might know it was Karen’s idea, but you’re still dismissing that fact and blaming her choice on the patriarchy, rather than it being something she wanted and was comfortable with.

Also on the topic of that post, about how the outfit limits her movement and everything - please remember the actual context of the episode. Amy was dressed like that as she had the outfit on hand when the Doctor broke into her house - it was a kissogram outfit, not meant for running or jumping. She wasn’t prepared for the end of the world or having to run about, and as such her outfits throughout the rest of the series, when you know, she’s actually prepared, limit her movement much less, and she does very much end up being “fully part of the action”. Funny that.

And Moffat’s role as showrunner and scriptwriter does not include directing, and therefore he would’ve had nothing to do with the camera angles.

It’s kind of a nuanced thing, trying to analyze women’s clothing from a feminist point of view. On the one hand, a woman has the right to wear whatever she wants. On the other hand, no one makes that choice in a vacuum. Our culture has certain expectations about women’s appearances, and any choice a woman makes has certain costs and certain benefits. Women are judged by their appearance in a way that men are not, and the clothing that is considered attractive on women is often impractical, uncomfortable, and restricts mobility. If I lament that fact, I am not shaming a particular woman or claiming that she doesn’t make her own choices. She chooses, but patriarchal society provides the frame in which the choice is made.

That said, I don’t think it’s clear at all that Karen actually was the one with the deciding vote about Amy’s clothing.  I doubt that Moffat supports her right, in the abstract, to make her own choices about her costume. The preference she expressed fit with his agenda, so he went along with it.  And yes, I maintain that his agenda is sexist. (If she had expressed a desire to wear baggy sweatpants, or a prairie dress, I don’t imagine he would have supported her choices.)

Moffat was also the one who made the choice that Amy would work as a kiss-o-gram, an occupation that most definitely sexualizes her and prioritizes her appearance. It’s one of those choices Moffat didn’t have to make, but he made it, because he likes getting cheap laughs out of sexual stereotypes. Her profession requires her to be sexy, and being sexy involves wearing clothes that she can’t run in. The fact that she wears somewhat more functional clothes in later episodes doesn’t change this point.

And about the camera angles: people defending Moffat love to deny that he has any influence on what happens on his own show. It’s like they think that once he hires someone, he never talks to them again. Trust me, these people have meetings before they shoot, where they explicitly discuss what kind of mood they want to create and how to approach each scene. And if they don’t happen to discuss a particular aspect of the show,  the people who work under him will try to suss out what he likes and to do things that they think will please him. Even if he’s not the one who does that particular job, his fingerprints are bound to be on it.

tl,dr: Women’s choices about their appearance are made within the framework of a sexist society. Moffat is ultimately responsible for what’s on the show, even if he doesn’t do every last little task himself.

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penguintim: If Moffat is such a sexism, why does he even WRITE FEMALE CHARICATURES??? CHECKMATE MOFFAT HATTERS. Charicatures. Character + caricature. Fitting.

penguintim:

If Moffat is such a sexism, why does he even WRITE FEMALE CHARICATURES???
CHECKMATE MOFFAT HATTERS.

Charicatures. Character + caricature. Fitting.

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mistressnixofferelden said: I hate when Moffat criticism is rebutted with "Well RTD was just as bad!!!!1" Stop it. No one is talking about RTD. He's not the current showrunner. We're talking about Moffat and the problems we have with the way Doctor who has went in the past five years. Yeah, RTD wasn't perfect but you know what? No one is. And sorry not sorry people have a problem with Moffat completely retconning who The Doctor is. I get every regeneration is different but c'mon. The way he behaves is ridiculous. linnealurks: dont-u-think-he-looks-tired: penguintim: dont-u-think-he-looks-tired: i sort of get why they use RTD against us since we tend to compare RTD to Moffat constantly, but the problems with RTD pale in comparison to Moffat Who problems… Also RTD doesn’t have as many sexist, classist,  homophobic quotes as Moffat. (or at all?) feministwhoniverse (creator of the Steven Moffat is a Douchebag list) have a list of problematic quotes fro RTD (here). so yeah there’s some right here thanks penguintim i guess since rtd isn’t the show runner anymore they aren’t as frequently seen on tumblr. I do have some things I think are problematic about RTD, but they aren’t *nearly* as numerous as Moffat’s, and they aren’t embedded into the substance of his episodes the way Moffat’s are.  Generally, when there’s something I don’t like in an RTD episode, you could simply cut that little bit out and the rest remains intact (like the “You’re so gay” line). With Moffat, you’d have to rewrite entire scenes, and sometimes entire story arcs, or completely rethink certain characters. In addition to the things on the list there, I’d add: World War Three, where Rose says that she wishes she had a compression field like the Slitheen, so she could fit into a smaller size of clothing -nice body shaming, RTD. Maybe that’s typical of how a girl like Rose *would* think, but that doesn’t mean it should be normalized on the screen. The Shakespeare Code, where Ten tells Martha just to walk around Elizabethan London like she belongs there, oblivious to any problems she might have as a person of color. If Ten is intended to be shown as in the wrong for saying that, it doesn’t come across, imho. There may be other things in Ten’s era, but I haven’t watched it recently. But, I personally would remove the quote about a female Doctor.  He’s not saying that *he* would have a problem with it, he’s anticipating what some of the objections from *other* people might be, so I think he can be let off the hook for that one.  (FWIW, I also think that the first or second season of the reboot would have been too risky a time to rock the boat by introducing a female Doctor, so he was wise not to.)

mistressnixofferelden said: I hate when Moffat criticism is rebutted with "Well RTD was just as bad!!!!1" Stop it. No one is talking about RTD. He's not the current showrunner. We're talking about Moffat and the problems we have with the way Doctor who has went in the past five years. Yeah, RTD wasn't perfect but you know what? No one is. And sorry not sorry people have a problem with Moffat completely retconning who The Doctor is. I get every regeneration is different but c'mon. The way he behaves is ridiculous.

linnealurks:

dont-u-think-he-looks-tired:

penguintim:

dont-u-think-he-looks-tired:

i sort of get why they use RTD against us since we tend to compare RTD to Moffat constantly, but the problems with RTD pale in comparison to Moffat Who problems…

Also RTD doesn’t have as many sexist, classist,  homophobic quotes as Moffat. (or at all?)

feministwhoniverse (creator of the Steven Moffat is a Douchebag list) have a list of problematic quotes fro RTD (here).

so yeah there’s some right here thanks penguintim i guess since rtd isn’t the show runner anymore they aren’t as frequently seen on tumblr.

I do have some things I think are problematic about RTD, but they aren’t *nearly* as numerous as Moffat’s, and they aren’t embedded into the substance of his episodes the way Moffat’s are.  Generally, when there’s something I don’t like in an RTD episode, you could simply cut that little bit out and the rest remains intact (like the “You’re so gay” line). With Moffat, you’d have to rewrite entire scenes, and sometimes entire story arcs, or completely rethink certain characters.

In addition to the things on the list there, I’d add:

  • World War Three, where Rose says that she wishes she had a compression field like the Slitheen, so she could fit into a smaller size of clothing -nice body shaming, RTD. Maybe that’s typical of how a girl like Rose *would* think, but that doesn’t mean it should be normalized on the screen.
  • The Shakespeare Code, where Ten tells Martha just to walk around Elizabethan London like she belongs there, oblivious to any problems she might have as a person of color. If Ten is intended to be shown as in the wrong for saying that, it doesn’t come across, imho.

There may be other things in Ten’s era, but I haven’t watched it recently.

But, I personally would remove the quote about a female Doctor.  He’s not saying that *he* would have a problem with it, he’s anticipating what some of the objections from *other* people might be, so I think he can be let off the hook for that one.  (FWIW, I also think that the first or second season of the reboot would have been too risky a time to rock the boat by introducing a female Doctor, so he was wise not to.)

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caelas: saying feminism is unnecessary because you don’t feel oppressed is like saying fire extinguishers are unnecessary because your house isn’t on fire (via linnealurks)

caelas:

saying feminism is unnecessary because you don’t feel oppressed is like saying fire extinguishers are unnecessary because your house isn’t on fire

(via linnealurks)

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caelas: saying feminism is unnecessary because you don’t feel oppressed is like saying fire extinguishers are unnecessary because your house isn’t on fire (via linnealurks)

caelas:

saying feminism is unnecessary because you don’t feel oppressed is like saying fire extinguishers are unnecessary because your house isn’t on fire

(via linnealurks)

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Spot The Difference Cis heterosexual person: I hate gays. They're gross. Other cis heterosexuals: Well that's your opinion and I respect it lol brave of you to say that even though you know you're gonna get flack from the crazy SJWs LGBTQIAP+ person: I hate straight people because they keep on killing and bullying members of my community. Cis heterosexuals: Oh my gosh you are worse than Hitler. Don't fight fire with fire! No h8 right? No wonder people hate you so much if you're gonna be like that. Heterophobes. (Not promoting hatred in this post, just pointing out the double standards. We've all seen it on here. This stuff needs to stop pronto. If you're REALLY anti hate, then you'd better be out there fighting for my community and calling out homophobes, cause at the moment all I see is you harassing and policing distressed members of my community when they are venting about actual life experiences they have had and suffered at the hands of heteronormativity and both outwardly homophobic and passive straight people.)
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some people aren’t books, they’re poems.
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mistressnixofferelden said: I hate when Moffat criticism is rebutted with "Well RTD was just as bad!!!!1" Stop it. No one is talking about RTD. He's not the current showrunner. We're talking about Moffat and the problems we have with the way Doctor who has went in the past five years. Yeah, RTD wasn't perfect but you know what? No one is. And sorry not sorry people have a problem with Moffat completely retconning who The Doctor is. I get every regeneration is different but c'mon. The way he behaves is ridiculous. linnealurks: dont-u-think-he-looks-tired: i sort of get why they use RTD against us since we tend to compare RTD to Moffat constantly, but the problems with RTD pale in comparison to Moffat Who problems… Also RTD doesn’t have as many sexist, classist,  homophobic quotes as Moffat. (or at all?) The idea that there must be some equivalence, but for every Moffat fault you point out, you should say something critical of RTD, baffles me.  Where is it written that they should both be equally flawed? IMHO, they are not. So many of the “well RTD did it too!” arguments ignore context or misinterpret the point of the criticism. And if Moffat does something ten times that RTD did once, by all means, let’s criticize Moffat for it more. Doing it once may be a fluke.  Doing it ten times is a pattern.

mistressnixofferelden said: I hate when Moffat criticism is rebutted with "Well RTD was just as bad!!!!1" Stop it. No one is talking about RTD. He's not the current showrunner. We're talking about Moffat and the problems we have with the way Doctor who has went in the past five years. Yeah, RTD wasn't perfect but you know what? No one is. And sorry not sorry people have a problem with Moffat completely retconning who The Doctor is. I get every regeneration is different but c'mon. The way he behaves is ridiculous.

linnealurks:

dont-u-think-he-looks-tired:

i sort of get why they use RTD against us since we tend to compare RTD to Moffat constantly, but the problems with RTD pale in comparison to Moffat Who problems…

Also RTD doesn’t have as many sexist, classist,  homophobic quotes as Moffat. (or at all?)

The idea that there must be some equivalence, but for every Moffat fault you point out, you should say something critical of RTD, baffles me.  Where is it written that they should both be equally flawed? IMHO, they are not.

So many of the “well RTD did it too!” arguments ignore context or misinterpret the point of the criticism. And if Moffat does something ten times that RTD did once, by all means, let’s criticize Moffat for it more. Doing it once may be a fluke.  Doing it ten times is a pattern.

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couchnap: scorntrooper: I am still upset that an actor as awesome as peter capaldi is the doctor at a time where I have less than 0 faith in the writing/production of the show. this perfectly summarizes my feelings

couchnap:

scorntrooper:

I am still upset that an actor as awesome as peter capaldi is the doctor at a time where I have less than 0 faith in the writing/production of the show.

this perfectly summarizes my feelings

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Anonymous said: RE: The ladies fighting over the Doctor; Clara and Sexy had a few (mostly one-sided) arguments that went like "are-you-gonna-let-me-in-or-not?" and "we-must-save-the-Doctor,-cow," neither of which have anything to do with which got to be the Doctor's girlfriend. Apparently Sexy also got jealous (or was just distrusting of Clara) and played a few rude tricks, one of which attempted to make Clara jealous over the Doctor, but mostly failed. Clara and River barely said anything about him, jealously. dont-u-think-he-looks-tired: bisexywebslinger: dont-u-think-he-looks-tired: well except for:  "I’m his wife" says River "Oh he never talks about you" Clara’s sideway smug look. Which is similar to Sarah Jane first meeting Rose which also lead to Mickey saying “The Missus and the Ex, a man’s worst nightmare" and yet people call that "jealousy" the Doctor constantly talking to the tardis sweetly and Clara constantly belittling him and her, calling the ancient being a cow just because it refused to let her in, repeatedly…. The TARDIS purposely goading Clara, even though she never reacted that way towards the Master (like ever) an evil being who wants to constantly kill the Doctor…. The Tardis feels threatened by Clara almost oh i don’t know…. like a lover? so yeah there’s that… Okay, I concede. You have very good points. I had wanted to interpret the Tardis’ actions as fear/suspicion about Clara, but that was a bit contrived anyway, and your point about the Master pretty much destroys the theory.  *sighs* I do miss Rose and Sarah Jane. right? they were so cool together, especially that laughing at the doctor’s expense bit… Moffat could make the TARDIS couldn’t stand Clara because she was a temporal anomaly. It even makes more sense, the TARDIS tried to shake Jack off before.

Anonymous said: RE: The ladies fighting over the Doctor; Clara and Sexy had a few (mostly one-sided) arguments that went like "are-you-gonna-let-me-in-or-not?" and "we-must-save-the-Doctor,-cow," neither of which have anything to do with which got to be the Doctor's girlfriend. Apparently Sexy also got jealous (or was just distrusting of Clara) and played a few rude tricks, one of which attempted to make Clara jealous over the Doctor, but mostly failed. Clara and River barely said anything about him, jealously.

dont-u-think-he-looks-tired:

bisexywebslinger:

dont-u-think-he-looks-tired:

well except for: 

"I’m his wife" says River

"Oh he never talks about you" Clara’s sideway smug look.

Which is similar to Sarah Jane first meeting Rose which also lead to Mickey saying “The Missus and the Ex, a man’s worst nightmare" and yet people call that "jealousy"

the Doctor constantly talking to the tardis sweetly and Clara constantly belittling him and her, calling the ancient being a cow just because it refused to let her in, repeatedly….

The TARDIS purposely goading Clara, even though she never reacted that way towards the Master (like ever) an evil being who wants to constantly kill the Doctor….

The Tardis feels threatened by Clara almost oh i don’t know…. like a lover?

so yeah there’s that…

Okay, I concede. You have very good points.

I had wanted to interpret the Tardis’ actions as fear/suspicion about Clara, but that was a bit contrived anyway, and your point about the Master pretty much destroys the theory. 

*sighs* I do miss Rose and Sarah Jane.

right? they were so cool together, especially that laughing at the doctor’s expense bit…

Moffat could make the TARDIS couldn’t stand Clara because she was a temporal anomaly. It even makes more sense, the TARDIS tried to shake Jack off before.

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“It would be madness. To start with one leading man and then change him ten minutes in. You’ve got to think of this as a new programme. You are mad if you think that at eight years old, you’d watch Paul McGann walk on screen, get hit by a laser ball and turn into someone else.”
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Anonymous said: Not being rude or anything, but It was Karen's idea to wear skirts. She wanted to wear skirts. Moffat didn't have any input. It's not right to slut-shame her or put her down for wanting to wear a skirt. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just trying to state the facts. I am a feminist but I see no problem in a girl wearing a skirt if she wants to. She likes her legs, there's nothing wrong with that. captaintransvestite: linnealurks: ascballerina: linnealurks: linnealurks: I assume you’re talking about this post? If you read my tags on the post I linked to in that post, about “Amy’s little jump”, you’d realize that I know it was Karen’s idea to wear mini-skirts.  Not being rude or anything, but I have to laugh when you say “Moffat didn’t have any input.” Of course he had input. He’s the ultimate deciding vote in anything that happens on the show (unless perhaps someone above him at the BBC has an objection). His input was that he went along with Karen’s idea instead of vetoing it. Moffat himself says that Karen’s appearance was a major reason for hiring her. Her acting skills would not have been enough if she had actually been, as he first thought, “wee and dumpy”.  And in dialog and camera angles, he calls repeated attention to Amy’s legs and body, and faults her for distracting Rory instead of faulting Rory being distracted. I’m pretty sure Karen knows which side her bread is buttered on, and that she gets rewarded for catering to the male gaze.  More power to her for using that to her own advantage. But as we see with “Amy’s little jump”, sometimes Amy Pond the character can’t be fully part of the action because of her costume. It’s not slut-shaming to point out that women are judged for their appearance far more than men are, and that women are expected to wear things that are uncomfortable and limit their freedom of movement in order to be attractive, while men are not. yoshee007: tl,dr: Women’s choices about their appearance are made within the framework of a sexist society. Moffat is ultimately responsible for what’s on the show, even if he doesn’t do every last little task himself. Rose wears a miniskirt in Boom Town.  No one cares, because she isn’t hypersexualized in it.  It’s just something she’s wearing.  No close up leg shots, no panning up her body.  It’s just…there, and no one makes a big deal of it. Also, we’ve already gotten to know Rose for ten episodes as someone who generally wears loose, comfortable clothing. Literally our first glimpse of grownup Amy Pond is a slow pan up her legs. And Rose’s skirt doesn’t change the way she walks/runs; she can still do this: I would also like to point out that Amy Pond is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER. You can critique the clothing she wears in ways that would be utterly judgemental and unfounded were she a real person - but she isn’t real. Amy Pond’s outfits were not picked out by Amy Pond, they were carefully chosen by a production team and a costume department; and yes, Moffat would have overseen those decisions. As a show runner that would be his job. Actors generally don’t get free reign on their costumes. At Karen’s level - ie, one of the main characters - you may get offered a choice of outfits, but they’ve still been carefully preselected. (That was how David Tennant came to have a his pinstripe suit - he liked the striped trousers, which had been picked out for him, but felt they needed a matching jacket. The jacket didn’t exist, so they made it out of other trousers. But the cut, pattern, and tailoring choices would have been made by the costume department.) Karen is an actor, not a member of the production team; she wouldn’t have just been able to roll up and say “I want to wear short skirts” unless the frock tarts and showrunner were in agreement. And as has been pointed out, it’s not really the length of the fabric we’re critiquing - it’s how it restricts the actor’s movement and informs the camera work.

Anonymous said: Not being rude or anything, but It was Karen's idea to wear skirts. She wanted to wear skirts. Moffat didn't have any input. It's not right to slut-shame her or put her down for wanting to wear a skirt. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just trying to state the facts. I am a feminist but I see no problem in a girl wearing a skirt if she wants to. She likes her legs, there's nothing wrong with that.

captaintransvestite:

linnealurks:

ascballerina:

linnealurks:

linnealurks:

I assume you’re talking about this post? If you read my tags on the post I linked to in that post, about “Amy’s little jump”, you’d realize that I know it was Karen’s idea to wear mini-skirts.

 Not being rude or anything, but I have to laugh when you say “Moffat didn’t have any input.” Of course he had input. He’s the ultimate deciding vote in anything that happens on the show (unless perhaps someone above him at the BBC has an objection). His input was that he went along with Karen’s idea instead of vetoing it.

Moffat himself says that Karen’s appearance was a major reason for hiring her. Her acting skills would not have been enough if she had actually been, as he first thought, “wee and dumpy”.  And in dialog and camera angles, he calls repeated attention to Amy’s legs and body, and faults her for distracting Rory instead of faulting Rory being distracted.

I’m pretty sure Karen knows which side her bread is buttered on, and that she gets rewarded for catering to the male gaze.  More power to her for using that to her own advantage. But as we see with “Amy’s little jump”, sometimes Amy Pond the character can’t be fully part of the action because of her costume.

It’s not slut-shaming to point out that women are judged for their appearance far more than men are, and that women are expected to wear things that are uncomfortable and limit their freedom of movement in order to be attractive, while men are not.

yoshee007:

tl,dr: Women’s choices about their appearance are made within the framework of a sexist society. Moffat is ultimately responsible for what’s on the show, even if he doesn’t do every last little task himself.

Rose wears a miniskirt in Boom Town.  No one cares, because she isn’t hypersexualized in it.  It’s just something she’s wearing.  No close up leg shots, no panning up her body.  It’s just…there, and no one makes a big deal of it.

Also, we’ve already gotten to know Rose for ten episodes as someone who generally wears loose, comfortable clothing. Literally our first glimpse of grownup Amy Pond is a slow pan up her legs.

And Rose’s skirt doesn’t change the way she walks/runs; she can still do this:

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I would also like to point out that Amy Pond is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER. You can critique the clothing she wears in ways that would be utterly judgemental and unfounded were she a real person - but she isn’t real. Amy Pond’s outfits were not picked out by Amy Pond, they were carefully chosen by a production team and a costume department; and yes, Moffat would have overseen those decisions. As a show runner that would be his job.

Actors generally don’t get free reign on their costumes. At Karen’s level - ie, one of the main characters - you may get offered a choice of outfits, but they’ve still been carefully preselected. (That was how David Tennant came to have a his pinstripe suit - he liked the striped trousers, which had been picked out for him, but felt they needed a matching jacket. The jacket didn’t exist, so they made it out of other trousers. But the cut, pattern, and tailoring choices would have been made by the costume department.) Karen is an actor, not a member of the production team; she wouldn’t have just been able to roll up and say “I want to wear short skirts” unless the frock tarts and showrunner were in agreement.

And as has been pointed out, it’s not really the length of the fabric we’re critiquing - it’s how it restricts the actor’s movement and informs the camera work.

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